Pax-salon Mailing List: Fwd: Why Aren't Environment & Peace People Working Together? (please share this message)

[patty guerrero (pattypax]

For Dec. 9 Salon (i know, that is still a way off, but want people to be aware 
and try and come) Please  read the below message and come to see what we can 
think of together.    Patty

ps.  there are 2 message w/regard to this email from Kuet Seaberg and Rebecca 
Cramer.   

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Susu <susujeffrey [at] msn.com>
> Subject: Why Aren't Environment & Peace People Working Together? (please 
> share this message)
> 
> Why Aren’t Environment & Peace People Working Together?
> Exclusive movement fiefdoms are stalling efforts to close the never-ending 
> war(s) that feed the petro-poisoning economy. It wasn’t apathy but anger at a 
> constipated system that kept voters away from the recent elections. We call 
> on people to connect the dots.
>  
> Pax Salon
> Tuesday, December 9, 6:30-8:30 pm
> Saint Paul Gallery 
> 943 West 7th Street (just east of Randolph, across from the pawn shop)
>  
> This discussion is a response to the Future First Women’s (environmental) 
> Congress and all the peace events I’ve attended where a single issue 
> dominated. I think of the late Marv Davidov who encouraged everybody’s 
> efforts at events all over the progressive issues map. Truly it’s the 
> same-same, this domination game and we are all losers.
> Please come to the Pax Salon, sit in a circle and discover our commonalities 
> and how to support each other.
> --Susu Jeffrey 



Maybe people are just exhausted.  These wars have been raging for 13 years now 
with no end in sight, despite 13 years of protest (and people did connect the 
dots- remember "no blood for oil"?  It was always understood that these wars 
had everything to do with oil.  Now Obama has just re-invaded Iraq and I'm not 
seeing a whole lot of rage over it, at least not the same kind of mass street 
demos we used to see in the Bush era.  Maybe people just don't see the Marv 
Davidov style of civil disobedience accomplishing much of anything anymore- 
it's still business as usual, despite all those years of protest, trials and 
jail time.  I think we need to reinvent ourselves here, and yes, invite vets to 
participate.  "Support our troops" has become a secular religion in the U.S. 
and there's so much fear around saying or doing anything that might be 
construed as being "unpatriotic".  Environmentalists seem to me to be 
especially wary of upsetting the mainstream.  Kurt Seaberg

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Rebecca Cramer <rebacramer [at] gmail.com> 
wrote:

Mary:
Thanks for your comments. FYI: The Waging Peace workshop today with Vets for 
Peace local activists and guest presenter Paul Chappell was really inspiring 
and he speaks to the public on Monday evening at Landmark Ctr in St. Paul.. I 
think that we have lots to offer each other on Dec. 9 ---from our own hearts 
and experiences. Thanks for Patty and Susu for arranging it. I hope that alot 
of us can be there.
Rebecca